MMB Chminaca (MDMB CHMICA)

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MariaAlex
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06 Feb 2019, 20:56

Everybody know some things about this cannabinoid? Is he the powerful cannabinoid?
sos99
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07 Feb 2019, 08:35

MMB-CH used to be my go to noid very strong very good be careful with that one.
MariaAlex
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07 Feb 2019, 16:02

What raport i can do with this noid? I talk about mix plants..... 1:40 is ok?
ceausescu
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07 Feb 2019, 18:16

Mmb-chminaca 1 gram to 80-120 grams

Source is reddit
MariaAlex
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07 Feb 2019, 21:15

ceausescu wrote:
07 Feb 2019, 18:16
Mmb-chminaca 1 gram to 80-120 grams

Source is reddit
I wanna make some strong, I don't wanna low quality...... with 5f adb i make 30g ... you say mmb Chminaca is more powerful and active than 5f adb?
atx77
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09 Mar 2019, 14:48

That's synonymous with MDMB CHMINACA right? Cuz I found that to be weaker than expected. I was reading micrograms but my juice wound up titrating up from 2 mg per ml to finally feeling satisfying around 12 to 15 mg per ml. Makes me wonder if I have the right noid. It is a great one though, and mixed into high concentration pg solutions in hours with no fuss which is awesome.
lili
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20 Mar 2019, 04:02

MariaAlex wrote:
07 Feb 2019, 21:15
ceausescu wrote:
07 Feb 2019, 18:16
Mmb-chminaca 1 gram to 80-120 grams

Source is reddit
I wanna make some strong, I don't wanna low quality...... with 5f adb i make 30g ... you say mmb Chminaca is more powerful and active than 5f adb?



5FMDMB2201
4FADB
PY
5CABP
5CLADBA
5CAKB48

All in stock , good price and quality
SAMPLE FREE
Last edited by lili on 28 Jun 2019, 06:42, edited 1 time in total.
lili
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Joined: 19 Mar 2019, 08:12

20 Mar 2019, 04:03

MariaAlex wrote:
06 Feb 2019, 20:56
Everybody know some things about this cannabinoid? Is he the powerful cannabinoid?


5FMDMB2201
4FADB
PY
5CABP
5CLADBA
5CAKB48

All in stock , good price and quality
SAMPLE FREE
Last edited by lili on 28 Jun 2019, 06:43, edited 2 times in total.
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chillout
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01 Apr 2019, 02:57

MariaAlex wrote:
06 Feb 2019, 20:56
Everybody know some things about this cannabinoid? Is he the powerful cannabinoid?
Which one do you mean, MariaAlex? i found 4 different noids, pretty similar namewise, but i guess you speak of #3 (see down below)? this one is indeed very potent. but it has been illegalized in at least canada, germany(2015), switzerland for 3-4 years now. I doubt that any RC-vendor out there sells this compund anymore.
atx77 wrote:
09 Mar 2019, 14:48
That's synonymous with MDMB CHMINACA right? Cuz I found that to be weaker than expected. I was reading micrograms but my juice wound up titrating up from 2 mg per ml to finally feeling satisfying around 12 to 15 mg per ml. Makes me wonder if I have the right noid. It is a great one though, and mixed into high concentration pg solutions in hours with no fuss which is awesome.
1) MDMB-CHMICA =/= "MMB-CHMINACA" (this actually not the correct name) sum formula: C23H32N2O3 - CAS-No. 1971007-95-0 - IUPAC-Name: methyl N-{[1-(cyclohexylmethyl)-1H-indol-3-yl]carbonyl}-3-methyl-L-valinate

is not

2) MMB-CHMINACA (correct this time) aka. AMB-CHMINACA aka. MA-CHMINACA - sum formula: C21H29N3O3 - CAS-No. 1863066-03-8 - IUPAC-Name: methyl (2S)-2-{[1-(cyclohexylmethyl)indazole-3-carbonyl]amino}-3-methylbutanoate

is not

3) MDMB-CHMINACA aka. MDMB(N)-CHM - sum formula: C22H31N3O3 - CAS-No. 1185888-32-7 - IUPAC-Name: methyl (2S)-2-{[1-(cyclohexylmethyl)-1H-indazole-3-yl]formamido}-3,3-dimethylbutanoate


is not

4) MMB-CHMICA - sum formula: C22H30N2O3 - CAS-No: 832231-92-2 - IUPAC-Name: methyl N-[1-(cyclohexylmethyl)-1H-indole-3-carbonyl]valinate


I added the last one(which i find relatively weak), because i happen to have a sample of the last one and i had to triplecheck names, numbers, structures and got lost in confusion for a good half an hour. It is easy to get them all mixed up as they are closely related and the trivial-naming and missing or added letters or spelling errors don't help much. So to add to the confusion :P




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DISCLAIMER: please work your way up in terms of dosage if you find a said to be super-potent 'noid! i would personaly titrate my way up until i get a good ratio and make a large batch when i know the compound. you can always add more noid to the mix if its too weak. and it is really importanat, that you dont read the names wrong or mix them up. with these kind of experimental substances, the difference in potency and toxicity can vary drastically even between closely related molecules. dont trust anyone. even from reddit :)
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@atx, can you recommend any 'noid especially for vaping in PG/VG ? i have yet to find a legal noid active enough AND soluble enough in PG/VG with a low enough
boiling point.

greetings,
chillout
atx77
Posts: 20
Joined: 20 Feb 2019, 19:25

22 Apr 2019, 06:41

chillout wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 02:57
MariaAlex wrote:
06 Feb 2019, 20:56
Everybody know some things about this cannabinoid? Is he the powerful cannabinoid?
Which one do you mean, MariaAlex? i found 4 different noids, pretty similar namewise, but i guess you speak of #3 (see down below)? this one is indeed very potent. but it has been illegalized in at least canada, germany(2015), switzerland for 3-4 years now. I doubt that any RC-vendor out there sells this compund anymore.
atx77 wrote:
09 Mar 2019, 14:48
That's synonymous with MDMB CHMINACA right? Cuz I found that to be weaker than expected. I was reading micrograms but my juice wound up titrating up from 2 mg per ml to finally feeling satisfying around 12 to 15 mg per ml. Makes me wonder if I have the right noid. It is a great one though, and mixed into high concentration pg solutions in hours with no fuss which is awesome.
1) MDMB-CHMICA =/= "MMB-CHMINACA" (this actually not the correct name) sum formula: C23H32N2O3 - CAS-No. 1971007-95-0 - IUPAC-Name: methyl N-{[1-(cyclohexylmethyl)-1H-indol-3-yl]carbonyl}-3-methyl-L-valinate

is not

2) MMB-CHMINACA (correct this time) aka. AMB-CHMINACA aka. MA-CHMINACA - sum formula: C21H29N3O3 - CAS-No. 1863066-03-8 - IUPAC-Name: methyl (2S)-2-{[1-(cyclohexylmethyl)indazole-3-carbonyl]amino}-3-methylbutanoate

is not

3) MDMB-CHMINACA aka. MDMB(N)-CHM - sum formula: C22H31N3O3 - CAS-No. 1185888-32-7 - IUPAC-Name: methyl (2S)-2-{[1-(cyclohexylmethyl)-1H-indazole-3-yl]formamido}-3,3-dimethylbutanoate


is not

4) MMB-CHMICA - sum formula: C22H30N2O3 - CAS-No: 832231-92-2 - IUPAC-Name: methyl N-[1-(cyclohexylmethyl)-1H-indole-3-carbonyl]valinate


I added the last one(which i find relatively weak), because i happen to have a sample of the last one and i had to triplecheck names, numbers, structures and got lost in confusion for a good half an hour. It is easy to get them all mixed up as they are closely related and the trivial-naming and missing or added letters or spelling errors don't help much. So to add to the confusion :P




-----
DISCLAIMER: please work your way up in terms of dosage if you find a said to be super-potent 'noid! i would personaly titrate my way up until i get a good ratio and make a large batch when i know the compound. you can always add more noid to the mix if its too weak. and it is really importanat, that you dont read the names wrong or mix them up. with these kind of experimental substances, the difference in potency and toxicity can vary drastically even between closely related molecules. dont trust anyone. even from reddit :)
----

@atx, can you recommend any 'noid especially for vaping in PG/VG ? i have yet to find a legal noid active enough AND soluble enough in PG/VG with a low enough
boiling point.

greetings,
chillout
I am much more familiar with the older JWH noids than these new ones. But out of the new ones I've tried, FAB-144 and SGT-151 worked fine for dissolving in PG and using a vape mod. Recently I had MDMB-CHMINACA and AB-CHMINACA. Both dissolved fine, and surprisingly I was able to get 10+ mg per ml of PG. I expected 1-2 mg per ml to be strong enough, but maybe they don't vape efficiently because I wound up adding more and more. They do gunk up standard vape coils and I think that's why the efficiency drops over time. Vaping or even smoking pure powder would probably be efficient at microgram doses, but I suspect these chems just don't like to vape as well as nicotine.

Weirdly I'm seeing some of the old noids resurface. Specifically Jwh-122, Jwh-210, and AM-2201. If those are legal in your country, they are my recommendation. Much safer, hard to make mistakes, less side effects.

If you have tolerance and just want the strongest ones, don't care about side effects and possibility of OD, then 5f-adb and 5f-mdmb-2201 are the ones most commonly put in C Liquids for sale. 4f-adb is supposed to be similar to 5f-adb, so if 5f is illegal I'd try that one. They work well because they're active below 1 mg and they dissolve and vape well. If I wanted a new, strong noid for e juice, those 2 would be my choice. If I wanted safer, older noids that are weaker by weight, I'd go for any Jwh series or am-2201. You should look at what noids are being used in popular herbal blends and C liquids, because you know those are active and soluble enough. That said, it IS possible to vape the stubborn ones too. It's just a hassle.

By the way if you're just having trouble dissolving, I can share my method:

Break up clumps as much as possible. This is the most important. A clump can sit in hot PG for days and not break up until you poke it. Keep breaking clumps as you see them in the solution.

Do not add ANY VG yet. Some people vape 100% PG, but I find most vapes are designed for at least 50% VG. So add the VG AFTER when it's completely dissolved in the PG, and adjust your concentration. For example, make a 2 mg per ml PG solution, then add the same amount of VG after. Now you have 1mg per ml and 50% PG, 50% VG. Does that make sense?

Gentle warming of the PG helps speed things along. Some people microwave the PG beforehand. I just rest my jar on a space heater and keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't get boiling hot. Only a little heat and shaking is needed. It should be a matter of hours, but I've had stubborn noids take 1-2 days.

If it's too weak, you can always add a little more later and adjust your math. I've started at 1 mg per ml and wound up at 15 mg per ml.

Buy labels, sticky notes, tags, or something you can mark your bottles with. Especially if you're changing the concentration, make SURE to change the label to reflect the new concentration. All of my chems are always marked and clearly labeled with bright colors. Need any more help, just ask.
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